Musicians say Seattle club ‘Chop Suey’ needs a name change

The Capitol Hill club uses their name against Bruce Lee's image to promote their venue. (Photo from Chop Suey Facebook page)
The Capitol Hill club uses their name against Bruce Lee’s image to promote their venue. (Photo from Chop Suey Facebook page)

It’s hard to believe that an alternative music club known for its diverse acts in politically correct Seattle has been called the Chop Suey for 13 years. It’s even more surprising to me that no one has made a big fuss about it until this year.

Andy Allen, an elementary school teacher and bassist for all people of color dance band My Parade, saw an opportunity to challenge the venue’s name when he heard new club owners, Brian Houck, Erin Carnes, and Brianna Rettig from Chicago, Minneapolis, and Los Angeles, respectively, would be taking over and making renovations to the club. On Jan. 27, he sent and published an open letter asking Rettig to consider renaming the venue.

Though he wants to have a conversation with the new owners about this before its soft reopening on March 6, the likelihood that this will happen seems to be waning every day. To this day, Allen has not heard back from them.

Rettig, in response to a phone call from the Globalist on Feb. 25, also said she had no comment on the matter.

Though a name change does not look like it is in the works, in a press release disseminated on Feb. 16, venue promoters announced that Chop Suey will be the future home of The Den, which will replace the club’s Asian-themed “Dragon Lounge.”

While groups like The Chromatics, and LICK!, who once organized the venue’s monthly queer dance parties, have publicly stated they support Allen’s renaming efforts, when The Stranger interviewed Allen last week, the post generated 72 comments mostly questioning what the big deal was.

My Parade band members, with Andy Allen (otherwise known as Andy Panda) on the far right. (Photo from My Parade Facebook)
My Parade band members, with Andy Allen (otherwise known as Andy Panda) on the far right. My Parade is one of countless diverse acts the venue has attracted over the years, despite the fact that the venue’s name made some of them feel uncomfortable, said Allen. (Photo from My Parade Facebook)

One commenter, “Brooklyn Reader,” stated:

“When it comes to decor and names, I’m having trouble setting aside the romantic relationship Americans have with oriental imagery in order to find it underpinned by animus. I can understand how having your culture misunderstood and misrepresented can be irritating, but I don’t think it’s being done out of hatred or prejudice. To most Americans, and certainly to many East Coast Jewish Americans, Chinese restaurants were their first taste of something exotic in their lives. Can’t we cut a little slack for residual mid-20th century cultural infatuation? At worst, it’s a fond nostalgia for exposure to something seemingly exotic.”

Many of the commenters, in fact, compared Allen’s request to reverse racism towards European cultures. One self-proclaimed Irish-English man likened the Chop Suey decor and name to the exaggerated adornment of the Georgian Room inside Seattle’s Olympic Hotel.

Not surprising in the fifth whitest city in the nation, but the comparisons “don’t equate to the racism I felt when I was a kid,” said Allen.

Like so many forms of subtle racism in Seattle that overlap with hipster culture, the use of Chinese ephemera and “kitsch” are so ubiquitous from a consumer standpoint, that they appear harmless to a mass majority. This is not the case for Allen, who is Chinese American.

A screen grab of Bjork's 1997 "Homogenic" album cover designed by Nick Knight, where the artist is styled and dressed by Alexander McQueen.
A screen grab of Bjork’s 1997 “Homogenic” album cover designed by Nick Knight, where the artist is styled and dressed by Alexander McQueen.

“Growing up in rural Louisiana, being the only Asian person I knew in all of the town I grew up in, and [having] the experiences I go through whenever I walk into something that’s caricaturing [my culture] brings up all the stuff I experienced as a kid,” he said.

Allen doubts that an American of Italian descent, for example, would have that same experience walking into an Olive Garden.

Though this type of dialogue is pretty typical of Seattle, he was still surprised at the spectrum of comments leaning towards the side of implicating him for reverse racism, especially since he never actually called the new club owners racist. 

“They just bought this thing, right? So of course I’m not going to say, ‘You’re racist,’” Allen said.

In his letter, Allen did however explain why he thought the new owners should rename the venue, considering the historic legend of the food’s invention:

“The dish came about when a group of drunken miners stumbled into a Chinese restaurant. Though the restaurant was closing and out of food, the miners demanded service. Out of fear for their lives, the workers assembled all the table scraps, fried them up and served them to the miners. The miners loved the dish and asked what the name of it was. The workers made up the name Chop Suey.”

Ironic nod to Chinese culture, kitsch or racism? A Chop Suey promotional flyer from 2011. (Image from Chop Suey Facebook page)
Ironic nod to Chinese culture, kitsch or racism? A Chop Suey promotional flyer from 2011. (Image from Chop Suey Facebook page)

Marc Mazique, a longtime Seattle drummer and Chop Suey renaming supporter is not surprised about how Seattle has responded to Allen’s request.

“I think people just feel it’s OK to do that to Asian folks because I think they think they feel that … Asian folks aren’t really suffering all that much compared to other people,” he said. “And I think it’s just a lack of understanding of a history of oppression of Asian folks and how that still, people have those things going today.”

The issue isn’t black and white. Allen thinks the reason why a group of people haven’t banded together to challenge the name of the venue before, for the most part, is because the club has gathered an inclusive and diverse community, thanks to booker Jodi Ecklund. In the instance that individuals have decided to boycott the venue, it has been weighed against its history of supporting DIY music and queer communities in Seattle. (Chop Suey has hosted queer music festivals and the monthly queer dance parties for years).

Its history isn’t so straightforward either. In 2002, the “Chop Suey” replaced The Breakroom when a Japan-based company assumed ownership, and in 2009, Japanese-American Roy Atizado took over to help upgrade the space. Subsequent ownership has kept with the catchy, identifiable theme.

This doesn’t make it OK, as Mazique, who is African American, stated in an excerpt of his letter in support of Chop Suey’s renaming:

“You might see this as hyperbolic, but imagine a club called ‘Mammy’s Kitchen’ that featured pictures of ‘happy slaves,’ Aunt Jemima, lawn jockeys, etc. As an African American, I’d find such a place upsetting even if it was owned by black folks. But my point is this: ‘Chop Suey’ may seem less offensive, but perhaps the question needs to be asked – why? Such distinctions simply enable certain racist acts and attitudes to seem okay, since it’s just about a particular set of non-white folks, which just keeps racism going. And then it’s just a matter of time before those attitudes and actions start seeming okay towards other folks of color.”

Without a response from the new owners, Allen is left to think of alternatives.

“I think if they keep opening as Chop Suey, then it’s time to start talking to the music community about whether they’re going to keep supporting clubs like that,” he said. “I think it’s been hard to get individuals to say, ‘I’m not going to go there.’ But what if bands start saying they’re not going to play there until they change their name?”

For now, it’s just a thought.

4 Comments

  1. Anyone in there right mind knows that this is not a racist owned estasblishment; and that goes for the last regime & the present regime! The comment about “politically correct” Seattle does not equate to OUR MUSIC SCENE! Not our clubs, not our live venues, not our music stores, not our long list of born here in Seattle & thee outlining areas Musicians or with our exrtended family of musicians that have chose to make their home Seattle- for example South Africa’s own Dave Mathews & San Diegen Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam! Our music scene is quite the contrary to any form of political correctness! In fact we have proudly stood up for our rights (Thank U Mr. Marley!) since before the days of The Late Great Jimi Hendrix who really put Seattle on the map with his music and words of advice to not be politically correct! Seattle has always been an open place for diversity to flourish compared to most American Cities, I am not saying ther is no racism here because that would be ignorant! This dude is just trying to salt someones business in hopes of getting some attention and more likes for his bands Facebook page. Its a pity that people sign right on with others and go as far writing stories like this in efforts to help publicly put a place on blast which affects business owners income!

  2. interesting, this guy and his band didn’t say anything when they played there for mo-wave a few years ago. maybe “racism” is ok when you’re getting free drinks? it also looks like he didn’t address the fact that the “chop suey” origin story that he keeps citing is an urban legend that probably never happened, as many of the commenters on the stranger article stated. it looks to me like he’s just trying to take advantage of seattlite’s moral indignation about anything race-related to stir up some quick and easy press for him and his band

  3. Funny how the charge that you guys seems to be leading is very whimperish. A true leader would take this on and call for a change. It really looks to me that there is no leader here. Sandy Panda and the sad whimper of his crew. Pathetic. Really funny nontheless

  4. All right! Let’s talk about some subtle racism here.

    Chop Suey came about when a Japanese company came into Seattle and bought the venue. People from the Asian business community were the ones who decorated the building the way it is, and they were responsible for naming it Chop Suey. If there is a bone to pick, why didn’t anyone do so when the decorations & sign went up? Where was the Asian community conversation & disapproval then? Why is this coming up now, more than a decade later?

    This protest against the name Chop Suey only came about once the venue was sold to non-Asian business owners. Why did Andy Panda suddenly decide to “make a stand” once the venue change hands to owners who were not Asian? Why not when his band played there, or shortly thereafter?

    I’ll just leave those questions there. They don’t really need answers. Someone named “Andy Panda” doesn’t really have a leg to stand on when talking about cultural appropriation and being offended about stereotypes.

    I’m still not sure what is offensive about kitschy decoration — decorating with red lanterns and dragons is NOT the equivalent of a slave-themed “Mammy’s Kitchen” and shame on Mazique for trying to blow this out of proportion. Should Mama’s Mexican Kitchen be tsked about its decor because there are sombreros strewn everywhere? Should Outback Steakhouse stop decorating with a bland Australian theme because the wallabies are a cliche representation of Australian culture? What about Americana cafes decorated with salt & pepper shakers and farming paraphernalia? Come on. Kitschy decor is the watered-down remnants of a cultural community that paints a broad, bland-but-accessible-to-all representation of a community’s past.

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  1. Anyone in there right mind knows that this is not a racist owned estasblishment; and that goes for the last regime & the present regime! The comment about “politically correct” Seattle does not equate to OUR MUSIC SCENE! Not our clubs, not our live venues, not our music stores, not our long list of born here in Seattle & thee outlining areas Musicians or with our exrtended family of musicians that have chose to make their home Seattle- for example South Africa’s own Dave Mathews & San Diegen Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam! Our music scene is quite the contrary to any form of political correctness! In fact we have proudly stood up for our rights (Thank U Mr. Marley!) since before the days of The Late Great Jimi Hendrix who really put Seattle on the map with his music and words of advice to not be politically correct! Seattle has always been an open place for diversity to flourish compared to most American Cities, I am not saying ther is no racism here because that would be ignorant! This dude is just trying to salt someones business in hopes of getting some attention and more likes for his bands Facebook page. Its a pity that people sign right on with others and go as far writing stories like this in efforts to help publicly put a place on blast which affects business owners income!

  2. interesting, this guy and his band didn’t say anything when they played there for mo-wave a few years ago. maybe “racism” is ok when you’re getting free drinks? it also looks like he didn’t address the fact that the “chop suey” origin story that he keeps citing is an urban legend that probably never happened, as many of the commenters on the stranger article stated. it looks to me like he’s just trying to take advantage of seattlite’s moral indignation about anything race-related to stir up some quick and easy press for him and his band

  3. Funny how the charge that you guys seems to be leading is very whimperish. A true leader would take this on and call for a change. It really looks to me that there is no leader here. Sandy Panda and the sad whimper of his crew. Pathetic. Really funny nontheless

  4. All right! Let’s talk about some subtle racism here.

    Chop Suey came about when a Japanese company came into Seattle and bought the venue. People from the Asian business community were the ones who decorated the building the way it is, and they were responsible for naming it Chop Suey. If there is a bone to pick, why didn’t anyone do so when the decorations & sign went up? Where was the Asian community conversation & disapproval then? Why is this coming up now, more than a decade later?

    This protest against the name Chop Suey only came about once the venue was sold to non-Asian business owners. Why did Andy Panda suddenly decide to “make a stand” once the venue change hands to owners who were not Asian? Why not when his band played there, or shortly thereafter?

    I’ll just leave those questions there. They don’t really need answers. Someone named “Andy Panda” doesn’t really have a leg to stand on when talking about cultural appropriation and being offended about stereotypes.

    I’m still not sure what is offensive about kitschy decoration — decorating with red lanterns and dragons is NOT the equivalent of a slave-themed “Mammy’s Kitchen” and shame on Mazique for trying to blow this out of proportion. Should Mama’s Mexican Kitchen be tsked about its decor because there are sombreros strewn everywhere? Should Outback Steakhouse stop decorating with a bland Australian theme because the wallabies are a cliche representation of Australian culture? What about Americana cafes decorated with salt & pepper shakers and farming paraphernalia? Come on. Kitschy decor is the watered-down remnants of a cultural community that paints a broad, bland-but-accessible-to-all representation of a community’s past.

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